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MTM- The Purge of The CDC Vaccine Committee
The healthcare establishment was rocked to its foundation when Robert F. Kennedy Jr. fired all 17 members of the CDC's Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) in one decisive move. Dr. Robert Jackson and his daughter Hannah Miller explore this watershed moment and its profound implications for vaccine safety oversight in America.
Kennedy's bold action directly confronts decades of pharmaceutical industry influence over vaccine approvals. The ACIP panel members—described as having "never met a vaccine they didn't love"—maintained deep financial ties to the very companies whose products they evaluated. This arrangement created an environment where rubber-stamp approvals became standard practice, culminating in the hasty endorsement of mRNA COVID vaccines for children without adequate safety data.
Mainstream media immediately framed Kennedy's decision as "anti-science," coordinating messaging across platforms with doctors in white coats condemning the move. Yet this reaction ignores Kennedy's substantive criticisms: conflicts of interest that permeate vaccine oversight, persecution of medical professionals who question consensus, a striking lack of curiosity about vaccine injuries, and fundamentally skewed research methodologies that prioritize fast approval over thorough safety evaluation.
The conversation highlights doctors like Peter McCullough and Robert Malone who faced severe professional consequences for challenging COVID policies, while examining how RFK Jr's new appointees—including Martin Kulldorff, co-author of the Great Barrington Declaration—bring credibility and needed perspective to vaccine safety evaluation.
Why do so many medical professionals remain unable to acknowledge mounting evidence of vaccine harms? Dr. Jackson suggests this represents a form of spiritual blindness that transcends mere information deficits. The path forward requires not just better data, but a fundamental reorientation toward truth-seeking regardless of financial incentives.
Are you concerned about conflicts of interest in medical research? Have you noticed how questioning vaccine safety immediately brands someone as "anti-science"? Listen to this essential conversation that peels back the layers of institutional corruption threatening public health.
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Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more than enough for the ills that plague our culture and our country. Hosted by author and physician, dr Robert Jackson, and his wife Carlotta and daughter Hannah Miller. So listen up, because the doctor is in.
Speaker 2:Welcome to More Than Medicine. I'm your host, Dr Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook. Well, I'm delighted today to have my daughter, Hannah Miller, on with me and she's going to be asking questions and I'm going to be answering the questions about what Robert F Kennedy did this last week with the ACIP panel. And Hannah, welcome to More Than Medicine.
Speaker 3:So, dad, let me just jump right in and ask you what did RFK Jr do this week?
Speaker 2:Well, it's an amazing thing, and I'm going to start by reading a quote from the health ranger, mike Adams, who said this if I were HHS secretary, I would solve the entire vaccine problem in one day, which is what Robert F Kennedy just did. You're all fired. I would auction off the furniture, sell the buildings, pink slip everybody on day one and return health decisions to the American people and the states, instead of a bunch of corrupt pharma whores who profit from maiming and killing children. Problem solved that was Mike Adams, the health ranger. Now, if y'all don't know who Mike Adams is, he's a health advocate who for years has been antagonistic to the CDC and the FDA and Big Pharma, and he's been an advocate for alternative health care, and that's a strong statement. But that's exactly what Robert F Kennedy has done the last week. And what he did was he fired the ACIP panel.
Speaker 2:Now that's the CDC's Vaccine Advisory Committee, and I'm going to tell you a secret they have never met a vaccine that they did not love. If Big Pharma produced a vaccine and submitted it to the advisory committee, they approved it no questions asked, including the mRNA template shot. I'm not calling it a vaccine, it was a shot. It was a killer shot. And when it was submitted to them to give that mRNA template to our pediatric population without any question, they approved it for our children, no questions asked. They never met a proposed vaccine they didn't like and that they did not approve. And Robert F Kennedy looked at the whole 17-member panel and he said you're fired. And he gave them all a pink slip just last week and it turned the whole medical establishment and big pharma on their heads. Bam, and it's been a long time coming.
Speaker 3:Has been a long time coming. And here's the thing how have we seen the media respond and how can we expect them to respond as they're looking at? I mean, we already know they're pearl clutching and if you're reading the news, you've already seen that. You know they're all beside themselves about this. So what are we seeing from folks? You know they're all beside themselves about this. So what are we seeing from folks? You know the mainstream media and you know and I ask you that because I want people to be on guard Like this is how they're going to respond. This is how they are responding. Think critically about this.
Speaker 2:Well, actually, what Robert F Kennedy did was he gutted the CDC's vaccine panel. And the NBC spun it this way they call it a manufactured chaos and they said that Kennedy gutted the CDC's vaccine panel of independent experts. Well, you and I know there's not a lick of independence in that panel, and let's just stop a minute and think about it. That's a ludicrous statement, because they're not independent experts, If you define independent as financially entangled with big pharma but still somehow magically unbiased. You know, and there's nothing manufactured about the chaos. The only thing that was being gutted was pharma's ability to treat the CDC like their own private focus group.
Speaker 2:So you know, NBC's statement was itself a bit ludicrous, and so you know, I find their statement in the media to be laughable all by itself. Now here's as soon as they made the statement, there were these guys in white coats with stethoscopes around their neck who showed up in the media and they were making statements like this is dangerous, this is RFK, is anti-science and he's gutting public health. And simultaneously, those statements came out in multiple media outlets. And that's how you know, it was all coordinated handsome and attractive young doctors in white coats showing up on MSNBC, NBC, ABC All of those outlets.
Speaker 3:And not just those. You're seeing them on social media too. I know you're not really on social media, but you know I get on Instagram and Facebook and other places like that, and you know there's all these doctors now that people follow for their expertise in whatever field that they're in, and they get on and they start saying these same exact kind of things and they're all in lockstep on this and, of course, a lot of it's because one they're all paid to be, uh and then that's exactly right.
Speaker 2:It's popular. The money, that's right. Follow the money and it's also.
Speaker 3:it also is what's popular. You know they want to be, they want to be saying what everybody else is saying, because it's what makes them look good. You know, and and the and the media has put up this framework of RFK versus the science. Like you know, anything and everything that he does is anti-science, and so all of these quote unquote experts that are out there on social media and in the MSM, they all want to be looking like well, we're not anti-science, we're certainly not anti-science. So anything that he does is automatically we're opposed because of the framework that it's been put in and everything that he does. You know it's always going to be RFK versus the science, and so we can't question any of that.
Speaker 2:But what they forget to say is that the guys that were fired on the ASAP panel were all neck deep in Merck and Pfizer and Moderna profits and they were all on the payroll for the big pharma companies and they never said that in any of these news outlet reports.
Speaker 3:That kind of brings me to RFK's statement about all this, and I don't know, did you want me to go to this?
Speaker 2:next yeah, go for it Okay.
Speaker 3:So he, you know, responded to all of this and this is what he had to say about it, and I'll read the whole quote, and then we're going to dive into four aspects of things that he says, because what you were just saying kind of leads into the first point that he makes. Here's what he said Vaccines have become a divisive issue in American politics, but there's one thing all parties can agree on the US faces a crisis of public trust, whether toward health agencies, pharmaceutical companies or vaccines themselves. Public confidence is waning. Some would try to explain this away by blaming misinformation or anti-science attitudes. To do so, however, ignores a history of conflicts of interest, persecution of dissidents, a lack of curiosity and skewed science that has plagued the vaccine regulatory apparatus for decades. End quote. And so I want to look into those four categories that he just kind of put out here, categories that he just kind of put out here when he says they ignore a history of conflicts of interest.
Speaker 3:well, you just highlighted one of those things right there, so restate that for us. When he says ignoring a history of conflicts of interest in regards to vaccines, ACIP, all of this, what is he talking about?
Speaker 2:What he's talking about is, all these members on the ACIP panel are bought and paid for by Big Pharma, and not only these members of these panels. The researchers are at the major medical universities. All of them are knee-deep and waist-deep in money paid to them by the pharmaceutical companies, in money paid to them by the pharmaceutical companies. The medical universities, the research institutes all of them are bought and paid for by Big Pharma. The lobbyists are paid for by Big Pharma. The medical journals are paid for by Big Pharma. I quit reading medical journals years ago because every other page has a Big Pharma advertisement. It's sickening, and even the editors of these medical journals have come out after they're no longer on the payroll of the medical journals and admitted that all the medical journals are nothing more than advertisements for big pharma. And it really is. It's sickening. But these guys on the ACIP panel all of them some of them even own patents for these vaccines and how can they be objective? They can't be unbiased.
Speaker 2:That's right, they're not unbiased.
Speaker 3:How can they be an independent expert?
Speaker 2:They cannot be an independent expert. They're not unbiased. They're terrible conflicts of interest and people that are in the know have known this for years. But parents don't know that, the media doesn't know that and the average medical doctor doesn't know that. Unless people do their research, they don't know this.
Speaker 3:And Robert F.
Speaker 2:Kennedy has known it for years, mike Adams, the health ranger, has known this for years, and they have been trying to trumpet this through a megaphone, but nobody's been listening. People don't want to hear this, and that's why that entire panel needed to be fired in one day and replaced with people who are not bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical companies, because how can people objectively approve vaccines and do research on vaccines who are being paid for, bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical companies?
Speaker 3:I want to talk about some of the names, but we're not there yet. I want to finish this with these four points in his statement. And then I do want to talk about some of the names that we know that have been appointed and flesh those out and remind folks of who those people are. But the next part of his statement that he made here in you know, refuting this panic over all this and defending his statement and his decision to do this the second part of that was the persecution of dissidents. When he says that is that just him, you know, talking out of nowhere, or is actually legitimately have is there. Is that legitimate?
Speaker 2:It's all very real. Parents who ask questions are squelched and made to feel like they're ignorant and unlearned. But but I have lots of parents who come to see me in my medical office who are very well educated, about vaccines in particular. They ask lots of good and honest questions. They're not ignorant, they're concerned about their children and they want to know and they have done their research.
Speaker 2:And for medical doctors to act all high and pompous and like they know way more than parents, that's unfair. And for the medical establishment to treat doctors who ask questions specialty because they asked questions and challenged the consensus in COVID, and that was just uncalled for and unfair. And they were not the only ones. There were dozens of well-known, nationally known physicians, like Peter McCullough. He lost his position at Baylor University as head of the cardiology department. He lost his cardiology specialty certification because he challenged the consensus on COVID consensus on COVID. And that's what he's talking about when he makes that statement there about, say the exact word the persecution of dissidents. Persecution of dissidents. These doctors were asking honest questions and big pharma challenges and persecutes people who just merely ask questions.
Speaker 3:Because he's saying look, we're in a crisis of public trust regarding our medical organizations here in the United States and this is one of the reasons why we just said conflicts of interest, persecution of distance.
Speaker 2:I no longer trust the CDC, I don't trust the FDA, I don't trust pharmaceutical companies, and it's all because they treat me as a medical doctor who asks honest questions and they treat me as if I'm ignorant and unlearned, and that's not fair.
Speaker 3:That's right, and so when he's talking, when he's laying these out, he's saying you know, look, whether you believe in it or not, or you believe. The reality is that people do distrust, there is lack of public trust in us, in the FDA, CDC and all of these things, because of these reasons that he's laying out and you're providing examples of that happening in real time. And if you were a parent and you've ever walked into a doctor's office and had any kind of questions about any of the childhood vaccines, you know exactly what my dad is talking about.
Speaker 2:Pediatric offices will actually dismiss you if you're not willing to receive the CDC recommended vaccines. Because, number one they lose income because they're paid a bonus if they get a certain percentage of patients to obtain all the pediatric vaccines. So if you're unwilling to give your children the vaccines, they will dismiss you because it hurts their percentage and therefore they don't receive the bonus.
Speaker 2:So there's one issue right there on the table. But number two they treat you with disrespect because you ask questions about the pediatric vaccine schedule, right? So you know, there's all. That's that dissident.
Speaker 3:Right, and parents have experienced that in real life. The third aspect of this is, he said there's a lack of curiosity that's led to a crisis of public trust. What does he mean by that?
Speaker 2:What he means by that is that pharmaceutical companies and FDA and NIH are unwilling to do the trials necessary to lay to rest the concerns that parents have about the safety and the efficacy of the vaccines, and they have all manner of reasons why they say they cannot do the randomized, controlled, double-blind gold standard trials that are necessary to lay to rest the concerns that parents have about the safety of the vaccines. And those concerns that the vaccine manufacturers have are spurious. They're false. There's absolutely no reason they cannot do a placebo-controlled trials for these vaccines. But they can't do it and they will never do it. And I'm going to tell you why. It's because the vaccines are not safe. They are absolutely not safe and that's why they simply cannot do the randomized control, placebo control trials that the parents are demanding to prove that these vaccines are safe so that they can actually give them to their children with a good and clear conscience.
Speaker 3:And they're never going to do them and they're never going to do them Right, and that's all it would take is if they did them and they were like, hey, we did them and this is the evidence for it. Everything is safe Prove to us.
Speaker 3:Prove to us and the parents would say, okay, that's what we wanted, and why are you resisting so hard? This is all it would take, and they resisted. And they resisted it for now years and years and years and years and decades, and refusing to give parents the assurance that they need to feel like they can trust these organizations and trust these medications. And so it's just bizarre that we would look at these parents and refuse to give them that affirmation that they need, when we know that the money to do it is there. You know they're going to. They make arguments that they don't you know funding and all of these. That's all bogus. The last one he said the last aspect of this quote. He said why people and folks that, why there's such a crisis of public trust, is skewed science. Now, when he says skewed science, what does he mean by that?
Speaker 2:He means that the trials that have been done are are skewed and rigged. And they've been rigged to make you trust the vaccines to be safe when they're not safe. And they're rigged because the vaccines are tested not against a true placebo but they're tested against another vaccine. And when people actually look into the trials and realize that the vaccines that they're giving their children have never really been tested against a true placebo, parents are offended by that, they're shocked by that. When they realize that the vaccines are tested against another vaccine and not against a true placebo, they begin to realize that it's been skewed and it's not a true placebo-controlled trial. And the parents, when they begin to realize that, they start backing up and they say I don't want this and in fact the COVID vaccines.
Speaker 3:I was about to bring up the COVID vaccines. They were never tested.
Speaker 2:They never even got to the third level, the level three, phase three trials. They were given to people. We were actually the guinea pigs, right, and the people that took those mRNA template shots? They were the guinea pigs and we found out very quickly they were not safe, right, they were not effective and there was all manner of issues with those vaccines. And it's because they never completed the trials and, in fact, the trials were rigged to make them look better than they really were. They were skewed. In other words, just like that what Robert F Kennedy said. Robert F Kennedy spoke the truth. And who approved those vaccines? Well, it was the ACIP committee that he just fired, and they not only needed to be fired, they probably need to be prosecuted.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I agree with that. I think there's a lot of people that need to be prosecuted regarding vaccines, and not just COVID, but others, and there's a long history and I think there's a lot of folks out there and a lot of mamas and daddies who would agree with that and not just with the COVID vaccines. Last thing I want to do is I want to talk about who has been appointed, because we know we've got a couple of names already of folks who have been appointed to replace those, and you've got and I want to talk about them just briefly. Just you know one or two sentences about them, what we know about them, just briefly, just you know one or two sentences about them, what we know about them, and so who are those folks that we know?
Speaker 2:Well, I'm sure he's going to appoint more, but I know three that he appointed. One was Vicki Pebsworth. She was with the National Vaccine Information Center. A lot of folks don't know who that is and what that is, but it was a reporting center that was created as a substitute for VAERS. Everybody knew that VAERS was faulty and it was complicated. It was cumbersome, doctors didn't use it, so a substitute to that was created that was easy to use and she was responsible in large part for that. So she was a very worthy substitute to be placed on the ACIP committee. And then there was Martin Kulldorff. He was a medical doctor and he was an epidemiologist and he co-authored the great Barrington Declaration that garnered literally thousands and thousands of medical doctors all around the world. And I signed it.
Speaker 2:I was delighted to be a part of that.
Speaker 3:That was during COVID. And it was a refutation of a lot of what was going on with COVID and it was a call to integrity within the medical field, and it was a bunch of doctors who signed on to it and, yeah, it was actually. It was excellent and he did a phenomenal job being a part of that, so, anyway, and then, lastly, dr Robert Malone MD.
Speaker 2:He rose to prominence during COVID-19 pandemic and he was an outspoken MD against the toxic mRNA jabs and he's been quoted at length in lots of different places and lots of people know his name and you know he was one of the doctors who lost some of his certification because of the kickbacks against doctors who spoke out against it. Yeah, he was one of the quote dissidents, but he was one of my heroes.
Speaker 3:Right, oh yeah, I remember I started following him voraciously during COVID. I wanted to know everything he had to say.
Speaker 2:But he's actually going to be on this panel and that just makes me realize that Robert F Kennedy is so wise and judicious in the people that he's putting on the panel and see, that's going to restore the confidence of the parents. Now the medical establishment you know they're going to have their little whitey tighties all in a knot because of who Robert Malone is, because the parents will trust Robert Malone, and Kuhldorf and Pebsworth, because it's going to restore confidence in the ACIP panel. Now, the medical establishment you know I don't know about them. They're going to be all in a knot.
Speaker 3:Yeah, something's going to have to. They're going to have to have the veil pulled away from their eyes somehow.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 3:I don't know how that's going to happen and I don't know if RFK can do it himself, because they have so much distrust he's been so besmirched by the media and others. You know, it really does take something spiritual happening, I think, for folks with the Lord just pulling a veil away from their eyes so that they can see the truth.
Speaker 2:Well and it goes back to what I've told my listeners many times A lot of what we're dealing with here has to do with spiritual blindness. Yes, you know, there's a lot of folks, not just in the medical community but in the world at large, that are just unable to see the truth. And I'm not talking about spiritual truth alone, I'm just talking about truth in general.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it seems like a lot of the COVID stuff is pretty black and white. Truth in general? Yeah, it's. It seems like a lot of the COVID stuff is pretty black and white. It should be. You know, we're seeing young people at astronomical rates. You know, falling dead on the football field after getting COVID shots. So you know years ago. So it feels like that should be pretty black and white that these things are dangerous, but yet people are unable to see that truth.
Speaker 2:They're still. They're still giving the shots. People are still searching and wanting the shots and you would think that, like you said, that's a black and white issue and those shots are dangerous. And you think people would see that now and be distrusting the shots and avoiding the shots. But oh no, our government is still pushing it. State governments are still pushing it and there are people out there warning the shots and doctors out there still pushing it. There are doctors out there pushing it for little babies and I see advertisements on TV still and on the radio still for the COVID shots and I'm like you've got to be kidding me. But it's not.
Speaker 2:And how can people be so blind to that? It's a function of spiritual blindness. It's not a matter of information or rationale or logic. It's a function of spiritual blindness and I tell this to my listeners and my friends all the time. The root of the problem is a lack of knowing biblical truth. If people do not know the Lord Jesus Christ, they simply cannot see the truth.
Speaker 2:There's a verse in scripture that says the natural man the natural man is a biblical word for the lost man, spiritually lost and spiritually blind. The natural man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, because they're foolishness to him. Neither can he understand them, because they're spiritually discerned. Now, how do we solve that? Evangelism Evangelism.
Speaker 2:That's why you and I must share the gospel with our lost friends, because you just giving them information about covid and the shots and the dangers thereof is not going to help them, because they're blind. They're spiritually blind and unless they are born again into the kingdom of god and transferred from the domain of darkness into the kingdom of God's beloved Son, they're still going to be blind. And no amount of information or logic or rationale is going to help them see the truth. Unless the Spirit of God opens their eyes to see spiritual truth, they're still going to be blind. To see spiritual truth, they're still going to be blind. And that's why, dear listener, unless you and I are willing to humble ourselves and give to them the gospel you see, I'm not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone who believes. We must give them the gospel, give them Jesus, and when folks are born again into the kingdom of God, then their eyes will be opened and then they will see the truth. But until then they walk in darkness, All right? Well, listen, Hannah, our time is up. I think we're going to have to let our folks go.
Speaker 2:Thank you, Ms Hannah. I appreciate you being here with me. You're listening to More Than Medicine. I'm your host, Dr Robert Jackson. My guest today is my lovely daughter, Ms Hannah Miller. I'll be back again next week. Until then, may the Lord bless you real good.
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