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Interview: Rebecca Terrell - Un-Earthing the CO2 Pipeline
Carbon capture pipelines represent one of the most significant threats to American property rights and rural communities that few people know about. In this eye-opening conversation with Rebecca Terrell, senior editor for the New American Magazine, we dive deep into the disturbing reality behind the government's plan to install 96,000 miles of carbon dioxide pipelines across America.
What begins as a discussion about a documentary quickly reveals a multi-layered assault on private property, local sovereignty, and basic safety. When a carbon capture pipeline ruptured in Satarsha, Mississippi in 2020, it created an invisible, odorless cloud of carbon dioxide that displaced oxygen, causing people to collapse and rendering emergency vehicles inoperable. This wasn't an anomaly – it's the inherent danger of these pipelines that transport CO2 under extreme pressure (2200 PSI).
Behind the environmental facade lies a simple motivation: billions in government subsidies. The Biden administration increased payouts to $85 per ton of captured carbon, creating an irresistible financial incentive for companies like Summit Carbon Solutions to seize farmland through eminent domain. Even more shocking is the scientific reality that carbon capture actually increases overall emissions, requiring 1.5-2 times more energy than it saves – a fact acknowledged even by prominent climate activists.
The conversation takes a revealing turn when Terrell connects these pipelines to UN Agenda 2030 and explains how international interests have been quietly implementing control through seemingly benign "comprehensive planning" and "smart growth" initiatives in virtually every county across America. What appears local is actually global.
Yet amid this troubling landscape, there's genuine hope. Farmers in the Midwest have organized, run for office, and successfully passed legislation protecting their property rights. "This is their 1776 moment," Terrell explains, as ordinary Americans discover what it truly means to stand together against powerful interests.
Watch "Unearthing the CO2 Pipeline" for free until May 21st at standyourground.watch or purchase the DVD at jbs.org. Share this crucial information with your local officials – especially county commissioners and sheriffs – because the battle for America's future begins in your own backyard.
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Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more than enough for the ills that plague our culture and our country. Hosted by author and physician, dr Robert Jackson, and his wife Carlotta and daughter Hannah Miller. So listen up, because the doctor is in.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Welcome to More Than Medicine. I'm your host, Dr Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook. Well, I'm privileged to have online with me today a good friend, Ms Rebecca Terrell, who's been with us in the past. Ms Rebecca, welcome to More Than Medicine.
Rebecca Terrell:Thank you so much. It's great to be back with you.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Well, I'm delighted to have you and first of all, I want to ask you to tell my listeners a little bit about yourself, to remind them about who you are and what you do, before we dive into our topic for the day.
Rebecca Terrell:Absolutely Well, I am a senior editor for the New American Magazine that is the magazine of the John Birch Society, for the New American Magazine that is the magazine of the John Birch Society. And I am also a previous employee, previous staff member of Congressman Ron Paul's office and I authored his bill to get us out of the United Nations. So that's kind of my claim to fame.
Dr.Robert Jackson:I get you.
Rebecca Terrell:That's what people like to talk about, right? No-transcript.
Dr.Robert Jackson:And just I know that you've called me today to yeah, I want you to talk about a documentary actually that I saw recently, and give me the title exactly of the documentary that you narrated?
Rebecca Terrell:Right. The documentary is called Unearthing the CO2 Pipeline and it's produced by the John Birch Society. It's part of our Stand your Ground series. We're going to be producing more like this, but it is a documentary about something that is coming to everyone's backyard and we're trying to make people aware of it, trying to warn people of the dangers. And the nice thing about the documentary is, even though it contains some pretty tough news to hear, it is not without hope. We know exactly what we can do about it.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Well, I'm telling you that documentary, miss Rebecca. It elicited from me a very strong visceral reaction. I'm going to tell you why. My family in the lower part of the state of South Carolina is a farming family and they've farmed property that they've owned for over 100 years, and the farm there is extensive I mean they farm 1,200 plus acres. And if what happens there in Iowa, nebraska, south Dakota, that's described in this documentary were to happen in the lower part of the state of South Carolina to some of my farming family there in this state and friends of our family, I can imagine that it would create a great brouhaha. And so it really really hit home to me when I listened to this documentary. So let's describe to my listeners exactly what's happening out there in the Northwest.
Rebecca Terrell:Right, Absolutely Well, right now it is absolutely happening in the Corn Belt, what we call the Great Plains. So North Dakota, South Dakota, Nebraska, Iowa and Minnesota are being targeted right now. We have to remember that the Department of Energy published a report in 2022 saying they plan to implement, to install 96,000 miles of this pipeline across the United States of America. There is not one state that will not be affected by their plans and, of course, you know the reason. They're doing this to capture carbon dioxide, to save Mother Earth from all of us greedy, blood-sucking humans. Right, Humans are the problem. That's always the message of all of the environmental silliness and you know that when that's the message that humans are the evil on Earth, that's not a message from God. That's right.
Rebecca Terrell:That's a message from his adversary, right, that's a message from his adversary. So that's ultimately what they're doing. They're trying, they want to capture carbon dioxide from industrial facilities and sequester it deep underground in underground caverns. There are so many problems with this. The first, first of all, carbon dioxide is not a pollutant as we know. It is very, very necessary to all life on Earth. It feeds our food. It is plant food. We know that from the historic record. We know that increases in temperature globally precede they don't follow, they precede increases in atmospheric carbon dioxide. We know that in greenhouses they funnel in carbon dioxide to make the plants healthier Right.
Rebecca Terrell:So, we know that carbon dioxide we know this from from our elementary school biology. You know science classes that carbon dioxide is a plant food. It's very necessary to life on Earth. Oxide is a plant food. It's very necessary to life on Earth. And what they're doing when they capture the emissions from these industrial facilities out there in the Corn Belt? They're capturing it from ethanol plants and they condense it into its liquefied form under very high pressure, about 2200 PSI. Think about the PSI in your car tire and that gives you an idea of how much exponentially larger this pressure is. They want to funnel this supercritical it's called supercritical CO2 in that liquefied, pressurized state and they want to send it thousands of miles away to sequester it underground.
Rebecca Terrell:Supposedly Now we already have carbon capture. It's been around for decades and it's been regulated by the federal government for decades. But it's always been used on a micro level and very short pipeline paths from industrial facilities like, for instance, an oil refinery, and they condense the CO2 down and make fracking fluid out of it where they inject it into otherwise depleted oil and gas wells. So we already have 5,000 miles of carbon capture pipeline in this country. But we also have a history Because of that we have a history and we know what happens when there are accidents with these pipelines and they are not good. When carbon, supercritical carbon dioxide when a pipeline ruptures and that supercritical material hits the atmosphere, it immediately turns back into a gas, but it's heavier than air. Think of dry ice that's carbon dioxide. Or think of your fire extinguisher in your kitchen. If you pull it out to put out a fire, you're shooting carbon dioxide onto that fire, but it is heavier than air. It sticks to the ground and it still acts like liquid. It still flows.
Rebecca Terrell:And in February of 2020, there was an accident outside a little village in Satarsha, mississippi, and that's where we start our documentary. We tell the story of what happened because that supercritical CO2 transformed rapidly into its gaseous state, flowed right down into that village and people started dropping and, of course, it wasn't in the same concentration everywhere. People are gagging for air. They run to get in their cars to drive away. The car won't start because your car needs oxygen. An internal combustion engine doesn't work in an oxygen-depleted environment. So you know they're calling 911. 911 doesn't know what to do. They've never experienced anything like this. That's right. The emergency crews couldn't get there. Their cars shut down their vehicle emergency vehicles shut down, that's right, I'm sorry the ambulance wouldn't work.
Rebecca Terrell:In fact, I interviewed one of the emergency crew and he said they had to. They just get out of their vehicles. They had special oxygen tanks that they were wearing to be able to breathe. Actually, they were reacting. They still didn't know what was going on, they hadn't figured out what was going on yet. But they went in there with their special breathing apparatus and you know, the funny thing was no one knew if you were going to shelter in place. The thing to do would be to go to the second floor of your house as if it was a flood, because that's the way the carbon dioxide acts it's odorless, it's invisible. You know this cloud comes in. You can't see. Now they did. You will hear the people of satarsha talk about. They saw the cloud, but that's because the rupture tore a 40 foot deep hole in the ground and all of that debris was flying through the air. So that's what they were seeing, but actually carbon dioxide was invisible.
Rebecca Terrell:It's invisible and it's also you can't smell it. Now, in this case, they did. The company that was using it was Denberry Resources, which was an oil and gas company. They actually capture carbon from a dormant volcano called the Jackson Dome down there nearby Satarsha, and they funnel it and they use it for fracking fluid. That's a process called enhanced oil recovery. But now it's changed, and the reason it's changed is not because these companies are thinking oh, we want to save Mother Earth, we want to spend our money and help save Mother Earth. There's no altruistic motive and there's also no market potential to bury carbon dioxide underneath the earth and not use it for anything. So there's no marketing potential for them.
Rebecca Terrell:These are for-profit companies that want to put in these pipelines. So you can guess why they want to do this it's because of billions of dollars in government subsidies that the Biden administration made available to them. Now these government subsidies have been around for a long time, but every single presidential administration since they were first implemented in the 1990s has upped the amount of subsidy available to pipeline companies. The Biden administration upped it from what Trump had. Upped it to $50 per ton of carbon captured. Now Biden upped it to $85 per ton, and we're talking about millions of tons of carbon dioxide that are potentially collected, and this is another thing. Potentially collected, and this is another thing.
Rebecca Terrell:The companies who get these subsidies don't have to prove that their numbers are accurate. They can just say I captured a million, I captured two million. They can say whatever they want to. A lot of the subsidies are in the form of tax credits, but there's also been a direct pay loophole added to the IRS tax code 45Q. If the company so chooses, it can forego the tax credit and get cash in hand. So literally billions of dollars funneled to these companies. So that's their incentive for doing this.
Dr.Robert Jackson:What do they do with the CO2? Is there any useful purpose other than fracking?
Rebecca Terrell:Well, like I said, they're planning on sequestering it deep underground, so it can't hurt Mother Earth, so it can't go back into the atmosphere and cause global warming, which, again, as we know, it doesn't cause global warming.
Dr.Robert Jackson:So it's all a ruse and it's just a way to steal money out of the taxpayer's wallet.
Rebecca Terrell:It is, but that's not the only. That is the immediate, or we might say the micro motivation is to get that money, to get taxpayer money. But the bigger picture is the land grab that's going on Because you know, city folk might say, oh, you can just bury the pipe through farm. North Dakota, south Dakota they're fighting, fighting, fighting. Nebraska has its hands tied because years ago farmers signed easements with a gas pipeline, a natural gas pipeline, and that's installed and been working. They didn't realize that what they were signing said we can do anything we want to. We can change this pipeline to anything we want to in the future. You have no say in it. We own it, we own the land, you have the tax liability for it and you have the insurance liability for it. But we get to use it however we wish. And now they're turning that natural gas pipeline into a carbon capture pipeline.
Dr.Robert Jackson:I see and.
Rebecca Terrell:Nebraska can say nothing. It's very scary that actually that point did not make it into the documentary. There's so many, so many layers of the story. It was hard and we wanted to tell the story as completely but succinctly as possible.
Dr.Robert Jackson:So it's inside.
Rebecca Terrell:The documentary runs about 54 or 55 minutes, so there's even more to the story that we just didn't have time to fit in, but it's coming. They're taking these people's property by eminent domain or they're trying to South Dakota just recently, the legislature, these farmers were up in arms and ran for office. People who thought they'd never you know, never imagined they'd get into politics have run for office and they have displaced some incumbents and taken over the legislature. It's really a beautiful story and they most recently passed a bill saying no eminent domain for carbon capture pipelines. So they have outlawed it in the state of South Dakota. It is really standing. That state is standing as a bulwark against this and is there to be commended. But poor Nebraska can't do anything because they already signed these easements. There's nothing to be done. It's kind of grandfathered in.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Man. That is shocking.
Rebecca Terrell:Yeah, the easements are very, very evil man. That is shocking any future generations their right to use that land as they see fit. People don't understand when they're signing these easements and they get that one time or maybe a few years worth of payout on it. It's selling your birthright for that cup of soup.
Dr.Robert Jackson:That's exactly right, exactly right. I see that. I do see that. And now people have been fighting back and failing in so many places. I was listening to the documentary and I was seeing the frustration in the voices and faces of people who are trying to fight back against this huge corporation. Now, what was the name of this corporation?
Rebecca Terrell:was the name of this corporation Right. The one particular pipeline company that's highlighted right now is called Summit Carbon Solutions. It's not the only pipeline company in this game, but it's the one that's fighting the fight, so to speak, throughout the Midwest right now. All the others are, I think, kind of holding back. In fact, navigator CO2 Ventures also had contracts with a lot of ethanol plants but because of the pushback in South Dakota they pulled out and they sold a lot of their ethanol plant contracts to Summit. I think companies like Navigator and there are others are waiting to see how things play out because once Summit achieves victory which is what they're planning they can step in and not have all the legal battles that Summit's having to fight right now.
Rebecca Terrell:Summit Carbon Solutions is very significant because it's owned by a man named Bruce Rastetter. He Politico years ago called him the Iowa kingmaker because he has put so many people with his millions of dollars. He's put so many people in positions of power in Iowa. He also has friends in other states. Doug Burgum, former governor of North Dakota and now the interior secretary under Trump, is big friends with him, has been a big promoter of carbon capture and is also a big promoter of this blue hydrogen, which is another eco boondoggle where they're just funneling money to their corporate friends taxpayer money for something that is absolutely it's absolutely inane to believe that we can switch from a fossil fuel-based economy to a hydrogen economy when it takes three units of electricity to produce every two units of hydrogen power. Yeah, I mean, right there, you can see that that's what's called deficit spending, right, yeah, that's foolishness which is what we've become very good at, isn't it?
Rebecca Terrell:um? So I mean, our federal government really has become our, our enemy, because it takes taxpayer money and it basically launders it, and funnels it to corporate cronies, and we're seeing this happen time and time again.
Rebecca Terrell:It's happening with carbon capture. Hydrogen extraction is called blue, not because it's a carbon-free process, but because they capture the carbon dioxide and bury it underground. And that's what makes it quote clean. Even though it's not clean, it uses a lot of energy, and so does carbon capture. The amount of energy that has to be used from a coal or gas-fired power plant to achieve this carbon capture is one and a half to two times. It emits one and a half to two times as much carbon as is captured, and that's demonstrably true. We know this. This has been proven.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Over and over.
Rebecca Terrell:On paper, you know, with numbers, and that's exactly what's happening. And that is why you're going to find groups like the Sierra Club and even Al Gore saying carbon capture is a non-solution, it's dangerous, it's ridiculous. I mean Al Gore has come out very strongly against carbon capture and I mean you can't get a bigger tree hugger than he is right.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Yeah.
Rebecca Terrell:So if you've got left and right and the odd thing is it's mostly Republicans who are pushing this carbon capture.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Well, it's because there's so much they're getting paid off somewhere. They're making money on it somewhere themselves.
Rebecca Terrell:Right, exactly. It's just like Kristi Noem, the former governor of South Dakota, who is now Homeland Security Director and campaigned on private property rights. You know, she's the cowgirl and she's got that hat on, she's on the horse and she's telling you what a wonderful American she is. And she did keep her state open during COVID, right? She made headlines for that. She became famous because of that.
Rebecca Terrell:But when it came to carbon capture pipelines, she sold them out. Not only did she tell the farmers, she told one of the farmers I can't fight all your battles but she also signed a bill into law that was later rescinded in the 2024 election by the voters of South Dakota, but signed a bill into law saying that these carbon capture pipeline companies could come in and take land, take private land by eminent domain, because of course, this is for the public good. We're going to save Mother Earth. No, we're not. That's ridiculous and so.
Rebecca Terrell:But she actually came out later, bruce Rastetter, summit Carbon Solutions was one of the platinum sponsors of her second inaugurational ball and she's also invested in one of the pipeline companies with which Summit Carbon Solutions. I mean one of the ethanol plants I should say, I'm sorry, not pipeline One of the ethanol plants with which Summit Carbon Solutions I mean one of the ethanol plants I should say sorry, not pipeline companies one of the ethanol plants with which Summit Carbon Solutions has a contract. How do you spell conflict of interest? See how deep it goes.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Yeah, I see, I understand. Now go back to listen to Alex Newman on that documentary talking about the big picture and what the end game is. We got about four or five more minutes Talk about that again.
Rebecca Terrell:Yeah, that's absolutely important. We know that all of this is very clearly spelled out in Agenda 2030, the Sustainable Development Goals of Agenda 2030. These plans came down from that document. They were implemented, actually, during Bill Clinton's campaign. You don't have to take my word for it. Look up the Millennium Papers from 1998. These were the findings of Bill Clinton's presidential commission to implement Agenda 21 in this country.
Rebecca Terrell:Agenda 21 is the umbrella document that George Bush President George Bush signed us onto, and his presidential commission was led by a man named J Gary Lawrence. He is quoted in the Millennium Papers as saying we're not going to call it Local Agenda 21 because that will bring out all the conspiracy crackpots. We're going to call it comprehensive planning or smart growth. And they did it. Their NGOs, funded by our tax dollars. The NGOs from the United Nations came in with all the glossy print and everything. They approached county commissioners and city councilmen all across our country. They said, oh, look at all this sustainable development. We want to help you grow economically. And, of course, the city councilmen they don't know. They don't know that it's coming from the UN. It doesn't say Local Agenda 21. They specifically hid that name on purpose. So they're like oh yeah, this looks great.
Rebecca Terrell:Every single city and county across this country. I challenge you to find one that does not have a UN-inspired comprehensive plan or smart growth plan. And you will find them by all the buzzwords, things like sustainable development and single-use cars and things like this, all the little buzzwords that are. We have to save Mother Earth and that's what we have to do. We have to go to our city councilmen, to our county commissioners. Show this documentary. This documentary will do the hard work for you, explain what's happening. This documentary will do the hard work for you. Explain what's happening. And then we need to get rid of these smart growth and comprehensive plans because they are implementing. They're already doing it. They're sectioning off certain areas of different cities around our country into 15-minute cities, again another brainchild of the UN. After the 2015 Paris climate conference, carlos Moreno introduced the 15-minute city concept, completely endorsed by the UN. They're even building 15-minute cities from the ground up.
Rebecca Terrell:There's a project called the LEAP project outside Lebanon, indiana. It is L-E-A-P. You can go look it up online. It's funded by the Indiana Economic Development Commission, which has headquarters offices in China, europe and Israel. The Indiana Economic Development Commission. You can't make this stuff up. You can go on their website and find it. It's insane. So if you doubt the international origins of all of this, just don't take my word for it. Go look it up online.
Dr.Robert Jackson:You can't see me, but I'm shaking my head back and forth in disgust.
Rebecca Terrell:Right. So I mean this is, but this documentary is a great tool. It's very easy to watch I think you'll agree, it's inside an hour and we need to really expose this to our city councilmen and our county commissioners so they have their eyes wide open and they can see. Okay, we need to get rid of this and we need to implement something that's truly good for our safety, for our economic development and for our sovereignty.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Well, now the video ended up on a positive note, so tell my listeners how that happened, because I was very encouraged when I finished listening to it.
Rebecca Terrell:Absolutely. One thing that the farmers have all told me is that they are, even though they have had huge fights on their hand, they now realize what it means to really be American. They have come together, they have formed a family that they'll have for the rest of their lives and for future generations. This is their 1776 moment, so to speak, and it has really been character building. It's a wonderful exercise in patriotism and in the growth of local and regional families that fight for their true freedom, for their true liberty and for the freedom of future generations.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Well, I could see we, the people, coming together on that documentary, as I saw just regular, average red-blooded Americans joining together at the precinct level, the county and state level, to defend their property and their family heritage. And it was a beautiful thing, and they won at multiple levels against this huge corporation and against judges and legislators that were arrayed against them, and I just rejoiced on their behalf. All right, now tell my listeners how they can get a hold of this video, this documentary.
Rebecca Terrell:Yes, very simple Go to standyourground. watch. It's not com or net, it's standyourground. watch and you can watch it there for free until May 21st. It's going to be available for purchase. Afterwards. It's already available for purchase on DVD at jbsorg. That stands for John Birch Society, so jbsorg. So if you do want to purchase a DVD, you can do so there. But, again, while it's available for free, we're encouraging everybody. Share it with as many people as you possibly can. Every American needs to know what's in this documentary and especially, like I said, our city and councilmen and our sheriffs, our local sheriffs, everything. The battle here is being fought on the county level, very, very much so because they know the internationalists know that the way our founding fathers set up our government, so much power is rooted locally, and they did that on purpose, because we have a lot more control over our government if our government is headquartered at the local level.
Dr.Robert Jackson:Nobody in a white hat and a white horse is coming to rescue us. If we don't do it ourselves at the county level, it's not going to happen, Right? Well, Ms Rebecca, I'm just pleased and delighted to hear about the documentary and I appreciate you coming to More Than Medicine to tell us about it. I encourage my listeners to go and obtain the documentary and watch it and share it with all your friends. I think it's very worth their while. All right, you're listening to More Than Medicine. My guest today is Rebecca Terrell with the New American. Miss Rebecca, thank you again for your time.
Rebecca Terrell:Thank you so much, I appreciate it.
Dr.Robert Jackson:All right, we'll be back again next week and until then, may the Lord bless you. Real good.
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