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MTM - The Bird Flu PsyOp.
Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more than enough for the ills that plague our culture and our country. Hosted by author and physician, dr Robert Jackson, and his wife Carlotta and daughter Hannah Miller. So listen up, because the doctor is in.
Speaker 2:Welcome to More Than Medicine. I'm your host, Dr Robert Jackson, bringing to you biblical insights and stories from the country doctor's rusty, dusty scrapbook. Well, I'm delighted today to have as my guest my very own daughter, Ms Hannah Miller. Welcome, Ms Hannah.
Speaker 3:Thanks for having me on Dad. It's always a pleasure.
Speaker 2:Well, it's more my pleasure than your pleasure, I assure you. Well, Hannah, I want you to set us up today for our topic and let my listeners know what we will be discussing today.
Speaker 3:All right. So I had come to you and said, Dad, what do you know about the bird flu? And of course we both chuckled and I had already told my listeners that I was going to come back from, I had a little break over the holidays, and that we would be talking about the bird flu. And so I kind of pitched the idea to you and I'm really grateful for you that you went and did some research, gathered some information, and so we're going to be talking today about the bird flu. I'm going to set us up a little bit talking specifically about what's been going on in California, because they're kind of leading the way on this thing, and then I'm going to just start drilling dad with some questions about H5N1 and about this whole thing, and dad's going to give us more of the medical side of the whole situation. So let me set it up of the whole situation. So let me set it up on.
Speaker 3:In early december, actually about mid-december, california governor gavin newsom declared a state of emergency in response to the detection of avian influenza, a h5n1 commonly known as bird flu, in dairy cows in southern california. So the proclamation, it you know, was supposed to, or intended to, bolster state response efforts and increase coordination between agencies. However, serious questions arise concerning the necessity of the measure, given the low public health risk associated with the virus and its limited impact on human health and food safety. So let me go through some of that, particularly in regards to California and some of the things that I just said, and then we're going to talk more broadly about bird flu, historically and this particular strain and all that. So the declaration.
Speaker 3:I won't go through all the details of that, but, to sum up, he admitted in the declaration Governor Newsom did that the risk and this is a direct quote the risk to the public remains low end quote. And then the governor promised, to quote continue to take all necessary steps to prevent the spread of this virus, end quote. All of this is starting to feel a little like deja vu, particularly coming out of California. But what are the measures that he's saying they're going to do? First, these measures include expanded testing at dairy farms to identify infections early and track the virus's presence in livestock populations. The state is also distributing personal protective equipment PPE to farm workers who have direct contact with animals, and they've launched a public information campaign.
Speaker 2:are you sure these cows don't have covid? I know I know we're gonna get into all that, all right I'm just I'm just laying the groundwork.
Speaker 3:I'm just laying the groundwork and we're gonna get there. That's, I'm sure people are already. This is starting that's rolling through their minds. Yes, and yes to the follow-up question of is this a PSYOP? But anyway, we're going to get there. I want to give all of the facts, though, of what's happening before we start diving into the questions. So they've also, like I said, launched a public information campaign, and this is in an effort to target dairy and poultry workers through multilingual outreach, because a lot of the agricultural workers do not speak English.
Speaker 2:And then, additionally, California— I wonder if they speak Avian Flu.
Speaker 3:Well, I don't know they're going to be by the end of this campaign. I'm sure they're going to know all the facts, or all of the propaganda at least. So then, california is now offering vaccination support to agricultural workers. You know, again deja vu, all all over again the whole thing. So I kind of said in my setup here that there's a low risk to humans, and then Governor Newsom acknowledged that in his you know, in his setup here, that there's a low risk to humans. And then governor newsom acknowledged that in his you know, in his big announcement that he made.
Speaker 3:So experts, uh, experts in animal health and food safety maintain they've continued to say that the virus poses minimal risk to humans and is not a threat to to the food supply. And then, according to the cdc, bird flu infections in humans are exceedingly rare, because that's what everybody's talking about that this thing is transmitting from birds to cows, to humans now. And so they're saying you know this, that's exceedingly rare, they only occur when people have close, prolonged contact with infected animals. All right, so you have to be working on one of these farms, working with a sick animal, for a long time for you to get infected.
Speaker 2:And I might add, you must also be immunocompromised, or very ill.
Speaker 3:Yes, and as of the November 18th update, the CDC recorded a total of 52 human cases of bird flu. All farm workers, that's correct All right, and the agency noted that all of the patients experienced mild symptoms and never required hospitalizations. The virus does not spread through human to human transmission, and so that's where it's at right now with humans. I think it was like red eyes. I think they had red eyes and a little minor itch Like conjunctivitis.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 3:So very minor, mild symptoms not requiring hospitalization. So there has been one severe case, so let me address that All right.
Speaker 3:I'm going to lay the groundwork for that again. So this was following, or it kind of coincided News at again. So this was following, or it kind of coincided newsom's declaration, if you call that, coincided with the first reported severe case of bird flu in the united states and, according to the cdc, a patient hospitalized in louisiana was exposed to sick and dead birds from a backyard flock and that marked the first us case linked to exposure, not a farm worker in agriculture in a large facility.
Speaker 2:And I might add, that person in Louisiana was an elderly patient who had multiple underlying serious health conditions.
Speaker 3:And that's exactly. The Louisiana Department of Health informed CNN that the patient quote is older than 65 and has underlying medical conditions that increase their risk of flu complications. Sounding familiar, everybody.
Speaker 2:Yes, it does, doesn't it?
Speaker 3:It's very familiar to all of us and you know. But of course everybody's kind of running around and saying you know, this is one mutation away from becoming more infectious to humans. A lot, you know, a lot of left-leaning propaganda machines of mainstream media are using that phrase. So all right, we're going to get into that last two points Sounds like fear porn to me.
Speaker 3:Yes, Before we start answering questions, two more things I'm going to lay out here. What's the risk to food supply? Because these are other questions people are asking. Well, the CDC emphasizes that cooking meat poultry and pasteurizing dairy products effectively destroys the virus, making them safe for consumption. So we don't have to worry about anything that you're eating or drinking coming to you from the grocery store having bird flu in it. If you're going to cook it, you know, and if it's pasteurized it's fine. And there's probably some who would argue that even if it's not pasteurized dairy product it's fine. I'm not educated enough on that to be able to say, you know, I can only quote what the CDC says, what's right in front of me, but I know a lot of folks who would argue with that argue that as well. But the point being, it's pretty safe for human consumption. You're not going to get bird flu from something that you purchase from a store. And then, last thing, cattle health and culling concerns. And we're going to kind of circle back to culling concerns at the end of this conversation with Dad.
Speaker 3:But while it's primarily affecting birds, bird flu has been detected in dairy cows across the united states, which is why things are kind of blowing up now and have in california. In cows, though it's not like they're dropping over dead left and right, the virus is often identified through ding ding ding testing rather than symptoms. Does this also not sound like covid? Not even knowing that they have it? And it's never even going to affect anybody, because everything from these farms is pasteurized anyway or cooked.
Speaker 3:And so, unlike its rapid spread in birds, furthermore, the virus spreads spreads very slowly among cows. This allows farmers to manage it through isolation, disinfection and enhanced biosecurity protocols, such as proper sanitation practices. And so, despite the availability of those containment measures, though, health officials in multiple states have opted for culling of infected herds, and this approach seems excessive given the limited spread of the virus in cows and the effectiveness of available treatments. In california, for example, culling rates have reached as high as 20 percent in some herds, which you may think. Well, I don't know, I have no context for that. That seems about right. This is significantly higher than the national average of two percent exactly.
Speaker 3:Yes, and the rationale for culling remains unclear, especially since the virus poses no long-term threat to cattle health or the safety of dairy products. They don't even know that the cows have it, unless they test for it. When symptoms do appear, they're typically present as very mild issues and nothing that's life-threatening nor long-term going to hurt the cow. All right, so that's kind of the situation coming out of California, which is why the media and others are sounding an alarm bell and saying, hey, everybody needs to start panicking over the bird flu. All right, so, dad, now we're going to put you on the hot seat. What is avian flu?
Speaker 2:All right. Avian flu H5N1 influenza is a type of flu. It's a type of influenza. It's a RNA influenza, just like the flu that passes through every year in the fall and the winter. It's a RNA flu.
Speaker 3:Have there been? Oh, go ahead.
Speaker 2:You go ahead Next question.
Speaker 3:Have there been any deaths in the US?
Speaker 2:None no deaths in the United States.
Speaker 3:How many US cases?
Speaker 2:Between 52 and 60 cases in the United States of avian flu.
Speaker 3:Mortality.
Speaker 2:None, no mortality in the United States of avian flu Mortality. None, no mortality in the United States. And I emphasize, not 50 percent, which is what the World Health Organization has been repeating and you've heard it said on CNN. Now, I remind you, when you see the lips moving on CNN, you know they're lying.
Speaker 3:And from the WHO.
Speaker 2:And from the World Health Organization. Now I'm going to comment in a little bit about why the World Health Organization is saying 50% mortality.
Speaker 3:I was about to ask I'll explain all of that in a minute Any human-to-human transmission.
Speaker 2:The answer to that is no. There's no human-to-human transmission of avian flu.
Speaker 3:So everybody's saying you need to go get your bird flu vaccine. Is there an effective vaccine?
Speaker 2:No, Like. First of all, all flu vaccines are marginally effective.
Speaker 2:Any avian flu vaccine will be an RNA vaccine which by its nature, ms Hannah, will only be partially effective. Estimates are that only 40 to 50 percent will obtain immunity Due to age and waning immune status. All physicians know that our patient populations who receive the flu shot, especially our elderly patients and our immunocompromised patients, will only receive about a 40 to 50 percent take. Okay, and that means only about 40 to 50 percent of our elderly patients and our immune compromised patients will receive immunity, and that's true of all flu vaccines, not just an avian flu vaccine so what you're saying is that the flu, the flu vaccine, really isn't for anybody and everybody.
Speaker 3:It's for the elderly and the immune compromised.
Speaker 2:That's exactly right. That's who really should get flu shots our elderly patients and our immune compromised patients. But even they only get about 40 to 50 percent.
Speaker 3:It's still a roll of the dice, really.
Speaker 2:That's right. Even they only get about a 40 to 50 percent take on their flu shots.
Speaker 3:So if that's true, why does the CDC push flu shots so strenuously if they're so ineffective?
Speaker 2:Well, it boils down to a logistical issue. Really, it's because of the short shelf life of RNA vaccines and the lack of freezer space. These vaccines have to be stored at minus 20 degrees centigrade. Because of that, there's insufficient freezer space to store these vaccines from one year to the next, and if we only administer the vaccine to the elderly and immune compromised, the market wouldn't be large enough to keep the vaccine manufacturers in business. So voila, the solution is well, let's give the vaccine to everyone as a condition of employment. Let's give it to children and pregnant women. You see how the CDC and the big pharma are in bed together.
Speaker 3:So I think that answers my next question very easily who is the CDC looking out for? Is it us, is it you, is it me or is it Big Pharma?
Speaker 2:Well, I'm going to tell you they're not looking out for you and me. They're in bed together. The CDC and Big Pharma are in bed together and the CDC is looking out for Big Pharma. They're not looking out for you and me.
Speaker 3:So, and I think a lot of us who had our eyes open during COVID realized that too, and this is just another case of them continuing to reveal how much they're in partnership together on various vaccines, that's right and see the whole COVID pandemic really opened my eyes.
Speaker 2:All of my medical career I trusted the CDC and the FDA, but not any longer. I view everything that comes from them with skepticism because of COVID, and I hate it. I hate it that I cannot trust the CDC any longer. Now I hope that's going to change. If Robert F Kennedy becomes the new director of these alphabet organizations. Perhaps that will change. But since COVID I honestly don't trust them?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and that's true for a whole host of Americans. Well, is bird flu a serious national problem?
Speaker 2:I don't think so. But the problem is is that the government and these alphabet medical agencies are ready to roll out masks and lockdowns and new vaccines, just like California is?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I mean I'm kind of surprised I haven't heard already that they're quarantining farm workers.
Speaker 2:I'm surprised that's not already happening, to be honest. Well, I'm surprised too, because they're always looking for an excuse to extend government control over aspects of our lives. And you know, and my recommendation to all of us is do not comply, Do not allow the government to do to us again what they did to us during the COVID pandemic.
Speaker 3:Which was a lot based on fear. And so we're again. We try to educate people so that we don't have to make decisions based out of fear. Which leads me to my next question Do you know many people who have died of the flu of any kind?
Speaker 2:You're a physician, I am. I'm a physician and I know a few, but not many Doctors are quite good doctors at caring for even the elderly who contract the flu. There are flu-related deaths in the United States every year, and primarily it affects the elderly and the immune compromised. A new RNA vaccine, ms Hanna, is not the answer, especially if it is mandated for everyone by an emergency use authorization, and so I would encourage my listeners do not be pushed into a corner by a new RNA vaccine for avian flu that's hurried to the market by an emergency use authorization.
Speaker 3:Well, according to the World Health Organization, since 2003, worldwide there have been 890 cases of avian flu in farm workers, with a 50 percent fatality rate, and you kind of alluded to this earlier. Let's circle back to that. How are they saying that? And what about this 50% fatality rate?
Speaker 2:Well, this is an example of what is called sampling error, because the only sample is farm workers, it's not the general population. More than that, the ones who have become very, very ill are farm workers with serious illness and the fatality rate is high because your sample is farm workers, who are working mostly on chicken farms, poultry farms, and the ones who became ill were those who had sickness, illness or immune compromise and therefore you're having a high fatality rate and this is, in the medical community, known as a sampling error. Their sample did not include the general population, did not include the general population and this has been used to justify a PSYOP, a psychological operation on the entire world population, to frighten folks into compliance with unjustified mandates. Now I frequently remind my listeners that the childhood RSV vaccine that was just introduced this last year was recalled because the children receiving the vaccine were acquiring pneumonia at a much higher rate than those who did not receive the vaccine. Did not receive the vaccine.
Speaker 2:As always, ms Hannah, I had warned my mothers, who were determined to give their children this new RSV vaccine, not to give that particular vaccine because it was new. I always tell my patients do not receive new vaccines until they've been on the market for at least a year in order to determine the after-market side effects. And sure enough, this brand new vaccine had adverse side effects, and my prediction turned out to be true, just like with other vaccines, such as rotavirus vaccine, which caused interception, such as the COVID vaccine, which caused, you know, all manner of adverse events in my patients, such as blood clots and sudden death from heart attacks and strokes. And so I always tell my patients not to take brand new vaccines for at least a year after they've been on the market. Well, that proved true with the RSV I'm sorry, the RSV vaccine. Well, if there is a avian flu vaccine, do not take it until it's been on the market at least a year. I'm just telling you A new RNA vax for bird flu. Especially if it's rushed to the market, I would advise my folks to stay away from it for at least a year. So let me say a few other things. Let me remind you that bird flu has been around for a long time and it's not new.
Speaker 2:Migratory waterfowl produce H5N1, and it's highly pathogenic in birds. And making a big deal of bird flu in the press, it's good for media business. It creates fear of porn in the general population. However, avian flu only affects humans who are immunocompromised, and usually those who are immune compromised, that work with animals, especially chicken farms, poultry farms etc. And have a higher probability of death from such illnesses. The farm cases have a higher rate of death due to immune-compromised individuals.
Speaker 2:All the farm workers are exposed, but everyone doesn't get infected due to good immunity on the part of most of the employees. More than that, there's no threat to the food supply, except from the USDA that imposes mandates to slaughter chickens unnecessarily. Interestingly, h5n1 can cross from birds to pigs and there's minimal evidence that it can cross to cattle. There's now massive testing of cows carried on by the government and statistically, ms Hannah, if we test enough cows, you're going to find some bird flu in the cattle, just like if we tested enough humans for COVID, you would find COVID in a whole lot of people. Nevertheless, it is extremely rare in cattle. It makes for good media hype and fear of porn when bird flu shows up in some poor farmer's herd of cattle. Farmers heard of cattle, so there you have it. It's only been 52 to 60 cases in human beings and it's all been in the United States and it's all been in farm workers. All were mild cases, no hospitalizations and no deaths, and no evidence of human to human spread.
Speaker 3:And I just looked it up because I wanted. I was like, okay, so what's 50 to 60? What does that mean? How many poultry workers are there in the United States? So there's something like over 2 million jobs in poultry, million jobs in poultry and there's over almost almost 400, somewhere between 300 and 400,000 poultry workers on farms in the United States of America. So you're talking about 52 to 60 people amongst 350,000.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 3:So, those are the numbers that we're looking at when we're talking about this thing.
Speaker 3:So, the other thing that I wanted to talk about, too, was the culling issue, because that's actually something that's come up quite a few times in this conversation with people in my circle, and so I read something that was very interesting this week, and it was an article by William S Hahn from the New American, and he had some quotes by Joel and I forgot Salatin, and if you don't, am I saying that right? Salatin? Yeah, joel Salatin, and some of you might be thinking where have I heard that name before? Well, my listeners would know, because I mentioned him a few weeks ago, before Christmas, because he is a guy that goes by the term the lunatic farmer, and he's been appointed advisor to the secretary for you, the USDA this is a guy that's been very critical of the USDA.
Speaker 3:He's a farmer. He knows how a lot of these things work. He and his influence in the USDA would be revolutionary.
Speaker 3:It really shake things up over there and so this is a lot of his comments about how we should be doing this. In regards to the culling, the going in, we're wiping out 20 of herds and flocks, etc. So let's uh, just for a few words from him, though. He said that you know, like you said, the blue bird flu strain has been with us since the late 1950s, and the way governments around the world have decided to handle it is to kill off the infected birds and all others in their flock. Despite these efforts, and after many millions of dead chickens and turkeys, the flu is still here. And so he suggested last year Joel Salatin suggested last year during a bird flu outbreak that quote questioning the orthodox narrative is more important than ever.
Speaker 3:And then he went on. He was writing for the Brownstone Institute and he posted if thinking people learned only one thing from the COVID pandemic, it was that official government narratives are politically slanted and often untrue. In this latest HPAI outbreak, perhaps the most egregious departure from truth is the notion that the birds have died as a result of the disease and that euthanasia for survivors is the best and only option. And so he continued on that the policy of mass extermination without regard to immunity, without even researching why some birds flourish while all around are dying is insane. The most fundamental principle of animal husbandry and breeding demand that farmers select for healthy immune systems. We farmers have been doing that for millennia. We pick the most robust specimens as genetic material to propagate, whether it's plants, animals or microbes. And then he suggested a three-part solution. And here they are. Stop killing the entire flock, Save the survivors and breed them. Let the virus run its course.
Speaker 2:That's right.
Speaker 3:And then number two increase hygiene and focus on optimizing flock size. And he stated this that all animals have optimal herd and flock sizes. It's best to follow nature on that one. Don't cull the entire flock, like he said. Breed the survivors, let the virus run its course and then optimize that flock size and allow nature to do its thing when it comes to the flock size. And then the last thing treat chickens like chickens and let them live in fresh pasture. And that's, of course, a big pushback against some of these farms, poultry farms that don't do that.
Speaker 3:And but then he said you know, this is a prime example of how government operates, and that's that. William S Hahn went on to say the same thing and he posed this question. He said or this statement. He said nowhere in the Constitution is it found empowering the federal government to do this kind of culling and control over farms. And that's always the question I ask is is it constitutional? It is not there, you have it.
Speaker 2:That's a good word. It is not there. You have it. That's a good word, all right. Well, there you have it. Folks, you're listening to my daughter, hannah, pontificate on what the federal government should and should not be doing on poultry farms. All right, you're listening to More Than Medicine. I'm your host, dr Robert Jackson. We'll be back again next week. Until then, may the Lord bless you real good.
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